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Simulationism is 'safe'

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Hi komradebob,

I'd be happy to a break down of "Archipelago". I'll need a day or two re-read and consider the rules. On a side note I think it would be best if we moved this particular conversation to a new thread. I can do it. Anyone can do it. Its all the same to me as long as it gets done. Hopefully I'll have something posted by tomorrow.

Best,

Jay

Yup

AFAIK, the rules are still free and online legitimately.

Yup. If I may make a suggestion, click here: Archipelago III and then hit the "Discuss This" button. That will start a new forum thread for the game.

Thank Tod!

Hello,

My apologies for not thanking you for making the link available, Tod. Appreciate the effort!

Best,

Jay

You know what's safe ?

@Johann : it's rolling dice. It's sticking to the mechanics like a swimmer to the pole of the swimming instructor. It's not making a step without making a PbtA move. It's not venturing too far into fiction.

Am I committing OneTrueWay-ism ? I don't think so. Fiction is unsafe in that the path is less clear, the risk of getting astray is real. Playing safe is not bad, and maybe it lets one concentrate on another type of un-safety (like accepting loss and stuff). But it clearly has not the same qualities attached to it. Often, in a group, you can see various attitudes, depending on the night and mood.

What about...

...groups that are "safe" and at home in an environment of consensus-based play?

I've seen people play while trying really hard to avoid engaging mechanics, dice, or other procedures that inject uncertainty, because therein lies danger.

(This goes hand-in-hand with Vincent Baker's idea that game rules are there to introduce the "unwelcome" into your game.)

If you put together both Do

If you put together both Do the Obvious ( from Play Unsafe) and consensus-based play, you've got a whole lot of player-level challenge going on without the need for mechanics for randomly introducing "unwelcome" elements into play.

That's pretty much what childhood Play Pretend, especially when referencing some kind of inspirational material ( a book, movie, tv show. whatever), amounts to and look at how widely that can vary between wonderful success that people recall fondly years later as adults and those sessions that it absolutely crashed and burned.

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